Saturday, February 13, 2010

Approach- Subcommittees

Everyone,
I've blind copied the group on this just to clean up the header length. I'm putting this on our blog site too because everyone can comment easily through that tool. http://naturalgas-midway.blogspot.com/

Read Ann's message in purple type then jump back up to my humbly submitted input> (pause in action to read Ann now).

Can we all agree that the royalties and signing bonuses are huge and may be tabled for the time being?

I agree with Ann that subcommittees are going to be most effective. So regardless of whether you rent, squat, own, thinking about owning... EVERYONE is invited to seek best practice options. If you are a chemical engineer, real estate agent, geologist, hydrologist, physicist, volunteer fire & ambulance, hydrocarbon Tradesperson, lawyer, or in the Dept. of Health, EPA, Soil & Water, CCE, Farm Bureau, Water Resource Council, USGS, etc. you can help.

Action item: try to attend the March 13th meeting 1-3pm, place to be decided soon
Action 2: be thinking about a list of subcommittees

Frank Verret (neighbor on Old 76 Road) sent me this wealth of information http://www.wateronline.com/
There is an entire industry set up to handle on site water. When you go in, view left side margin scroll down ...there is even a link to companies which claim to mitigate & handle radium.
See you March 13, Linda
Ann Boehm writes:
Dear Linda and everybody else, I am still most concerned that we continue to very carefully investigate all the environmental and health risks and present them with clarity and conciseness to the community at large alongside our scrutiny of leasing opportunities, legalities and projections of royalties. For instance, I spent most of yesterday reading about radium. We could frack with Kool-Aid, close loop everything, mega-muffle the trucks, and still have that to contend with. I need to hear from experts about the most up-to-date environmental solutions to a great range of problems both universal and local. And then I need to learn which companies can be expected to take these concerns seriously and which have made technological investments that support the window dressing of their reassurances. Nothing I have read lately, adding to what I already know, has assuaged my own opinion that fracking, as our practice of it stands now, is not safe, and the bulk of its worst consequences will remain invisible or hidden, hardly remedied by the kind of back fill and cyclone fences that improve the visible footprint. I am hopeful about some of the technological innovations that are beginning to be used, but I don't feel as though I know enough to evaluate these on my own, much less find out which techniques and companies might be willing to come here.
I am not reading bulletins from Shaleshock or any other coalition, but rather government testimony and professional journal articles of scientists who do not seem to have any kind of vested interest other than their concern for what we can't yet measure with precision but can genuinely and disturbingly identify as dangerous. I would imagine that for most of us, this undertaking is presenting a pretty steep learning curve. Because I am not the best person to come up with the specific technical information that will educate others without riling or simply frightening them, getting more people involved is uppermost in my mind. This matter should not be being discussed at this point only by a small group of self-interested landowners. Though relatively few will profit much from the leases, every single person living here, landowner or renter, will be impacted. So will the university community. Would you want to go to college in the outskirts of Houston? Every resident of Caroline, at the very least, should be vigorously and genuinely invited into this arena to consult, to listen, to learn, to contribute. Of course, we have been introduced to information at some of the bigger events around the county so that most of us, like me, have at least taken a stand, but this is no substitute for weighing many of the issues together, determining which degree and type of risks are acceptable or preventable and which are not. Personally, I want to alienate companies who will ride roughshod over us and split, even if they offer attractive money deals; on the other hand, I want to entice companies who are beginning to believe that in some places, environmental consequences to the land, to the communities, to wildlife and generations of people who will follow, are the foremost concern of the landowners willing to do business. This insistence will not change the fact that landowners will profit handsomely, but factored in at the outset as a condition of defining good business, it would at least give the nod to interests of the 92% of the township who will be largely only adversely impacted. I recognize how nerve-wracking it can be when all around us groups are forming, eager to make lucrative deals, and the gas companies are encouraging such money grabs. But if we become too focused on those fantastical royalties at this point, we will really get the cart before the horse.
So I'm asking myself, don't we need some teamwork here--a couple of different kinds of Tech Teams (drilling and mitigation innovations, health prevalence studies--preliminary though they may be), some legal committees, someone who will concentrate on the royalties issue, as well as people who will do publicity, possibly neighborhood canvassing etc.? At our first meeting, I thought that everyone who spoke suggested that all these matters are important--did I hear that correctly? Now we need to step up to the plate and work together on those issues that concern each of us, trying to deduce their impact at a local level, so that everyone who lives here is well informed. In what capacity does each person think of making his or her best contribution? Ann

Monday, February 8, 2010

Meeting Minutes Feb. 6, 2010

I. Executive Summary
About 40 people attended.
3 Townships: Caroline, Danby, Dryden

Paul Vidovich suggested everyone introduce themselves, name, road, township (thank you Paul)

II. Cornell Co-op Extension Forum on Natural Gas Landowner Coalitions
Date: March 13, 2010 (afternoon time & place to be decided)
This will be an important info. meeting for Tompkins on basic administration options, what coalitions can do for you, how they can be funded, etc.
Main panelists: rep's from the Tioga Landowners Coalition
Tompkins has no Landowner Coalition to date so local redundancy is not an issue at this point.

III. General Discussion On Gas Development, Landowner Focus
The 1st Landmen started coming around in 2006; Lincoln & I sensed based on our greed, we weren't being offered much. We talked to some neighbors, figured out families were being told different things by the Landmen signing bonus wise, etc. About a dozen families decided to keep in touch, lease status varied. No need to go through this as a single family up against the gas developers, wait & see approach best. (Linda Adams)

Fast forward to now and everyone agreed the shale is NOT what the Landmen talked about process wise in 2006 & 2007 & most of 2008.

To top it off New York State Law (Fall 2008) changed the spacing unit to a well every 40 acres for shallow formations adding further unforeseen Landowner surprises. (Bruce Murray)

Recent road trips of various PA well sites didn't seem that bad from the road nor were the roads themselves ruined. The bulldozers are enormous though and the bridges have overweight traffic. (Tony Tavelli)

There was a great deal of dialogue about the slick water fracking technique utilized to release the gas from the shale. The chemicals commonly added to the process are horrible. (Bill Podulka, Cyrus Umrigas, everyone)

Many had heard about the huge amount of fresh water needed in the slick water fracking 3-8 million gallons per fracture.

It would be a good idea to have a person with oversight for Landowner interests at each well pad being drilled; that makes sense to me, maybe a coalition with dues to cover this service. (Cal Snow)

New signing bonuses are reported to range from $5,000 to $6,000 dollars an acre which would mean a gross bonus of $1.6 million to one farm family.

Toured a PA site where drilling was taking place, it is quite an engineering feat in and of itself. (Milton Tamm)

Many people do not have the luxury to say no to this kind of income. People are in dire straits what with State taxes and farm families losing money on their products. (Lincoln Adams)

Helen Slottje helped out numerous times with points from a legal perspective.
There are serious negative consequences to Landowners leasing. (Helen Slottje)

A set of best practices and recommendations should be shared amongst us. (Joe Wilson)

There was sincere, emotional, and pointed debate about what the risks are and the fact this is an opportunity or curse depending on your point of view.

The protections I want to leverage I can't do on just my 25 acres, I need my neighbors united with me. (Linda Adams)

In the end there was general agreement that it makes sense for Landowners to come together. Some will not lease under any circumstances; others will unit around the goal to seek a fair revenue and protective lease. There is no need for any family to go through this alone and do not rush to sign! See you all March 13 at the Cornell Co-op Extension Meeting.

Saturday, January 2, 2010

State Land In Caroline, Leased For N. Gas

Here is a link to the DEC Uplands Management Plan http://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/49834.html which the Caroline Town Board recently received.

This plan includes two State forest areas with acreage in Caroline that have been leased for natural gas development. In 2006 Fortuna was awarded a lease for Potato Hill. In 2006 Chesapeake was awarded a lease for Robinson Hollow. There are maps in the link showing which sections the State has deemed appropriate for surface activities such as well pads, roads, pipelines, etc; such development would have to comply with the 1992 GEIS outline until there is a supplement to the 1992 material.

Thursday, December 17, 2009

How-To_DEC Search Hints

The DEC web site is very big and it can be frustrating to navigate. The information you want is probably there but where?

http://www.dec.ny.gov/energy/1634.html this link will get you into the heart of searching for drilling application dates or find any existing well - even some out of production. Embedded in the 2nd paragraph is a phrase that will allow many search parameters. Click on "searchable database for oil and gas information."

This is the only notification tool the DEC relies on to let the public and municipalities know when a drilling application has been accepted. In 4-8 weeks that application may lead to a drilling permit, issued by the DEC. The information is updated weekly, mid week.

Saturday, December 12, 2009

Map: Tompkins County, New York

Here is our county. If you are a Landowner or resident interested in having an open minded dialogue about natural gas exploration - that is our goal. It does not matter what your current lease status may be. We will not be judging one another.

Be patient, if your individual situation allows. The gas is not going anywhere. Changes are happening all the time regarding drilling technology and there are some nasty "got-ch'a" leases that as a group we can help each other avoid. Who better to champion our interests than we ourselves.

It is an expectation that we will be able to share our individual talents and strengths to fill gaps that no single family can possibly cover. No family will have to go through this process alone.

Our Situation

We have a gas resource under us that is of global commercial value. Companies have approached us to get that resource, some with little regard for the fact it is our home. These companies are explorers/developers and land speculators or a combination of for-profit entities. Whatever their reason for engaging us their paramount focus is their business; not our interests as Landowners.

On the other end of the spectrum, there are those that do not want any gas development under any circumstances, ever.

If you are not in the drill now camp nor the never drill camp...perhaps you will be pleased to discover there is an alternative for your consideration.